I always rewatch the game to break it down dispassionately before I write up my recap, and I'll do that here. This is not my game recap, but I want to get some of what I'm mulling over in the heat of the moment into a post while I'm still in the moment.
First of all, whiners blame the officiating, but GOD DAMN was that terrible. They called a roughing the passer on a blocked punt but missed a blatant horse collar tackle on our QB and a late hit out of bounds against one of our receivers. And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll find more.
More disheartening than all the bad calls, though, was the fact that it made our team lose composure. We started getting legitimate calls against us because we started playing undisciplined football. We got emotional, which goes against what Frank Beamer preaches. Don't panic, hang in there, take advantage of opportunities. We were the less disciplined team in the second half.
I don't know about the lack of carries by Wilson. I know the sideline reporter said he did not have an injury that was sidelining him, but you don't retape a player's ankle in the middle of the game for no reason, and I know I caught a glimpse of him on the sidelines on his hands and knees at one point. And late in the game he did NOT look like himself on some carries. I know DW is a gladiator and wants to be in the game even if he's missing a leg, but if the coaches were limiting him out of concern for his health then I can't fault that.
Defense and offense both came up way short here, but I have to fault the offense a bit more there if only because the defense was down Jayron Hosley. Dietrick Bonner had a terrible game, but I'm not going to crucify a freshman pressed into prime time duty against what is honestly a world class corps of receivers.
Their D line absolutely SHREDDED us. If you want to know why we make their defense look all world while every other team in the bowl subdivision steamrolls them it's because Curt Newsome's blocking scheme has ZERO ANSWER for big, physical D lines. Newsome has become the albatross around our knecks, more so than even Stiney in this admin's humble opinion. Cut our losses and cut Newsome. Now. Stiney is a good enough positions coach to take over the entire offensive line as well as tight ends, which opens up another coaching position to bring some new blood in somewhere.
We abandoned the zone read after the negative result on the first play of the game. Typical and frustrating to see. By the time we reincorporated that play into our game play Clemson's defense was playing with their ears pinned back.
Brent Mushberger and Kirk Herbstreit are just fucking horrible.
All that being said, I still think LT is going to come out the other end of this ass kicking a better QB. He threw a lot of picks tonight, but they all came after we were in panic pass mode and their secondary was sitting back to read routes. Dude still needs to tuck that ball on scrambles, though. Teach him, Mike O'Cain. You've done a great job bringing him along so far. Help him learn from his mistakes tonight.
Bring on the Chikin Bowl and an SEC also ran.
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Dude, did you put "Stiney" & "good enough" in the same sentence!?!? BLASPHEMY!!!
"We got emotional, which goes against what Frank Beamer preaches."
Preaching and coaching are two different things.
Stiney can recruit somehow, I'll at least give him that. I don't know what the hell he says to those kids.
Stiney's a good position coach. Look at how much better the O line has pass protected over the course of this season since he's taken over the offensive tackles. And he's always coached up the tight ends.
Stiney's primary weakness is play calling and his secondary weakness is game planning. As a positions coach and a recruiter I have no beef with him at all.
Billy, then that is ALL he should be doing. Speaking of recruiting, I don't think I need to mention how this shiturdsandwich is going to affect it.
"Their D line absolutely SHREDDED us. If you want to know why we make their defense look all world while every other team in the bowl subdivision steamrolls them it's because Curt Newsome's blocking scheme has ZERO ANSWER for big, physical D lines. Newsome has become the albatross around our knecks, more so than even Stiney in this admin's humble opinion. Cut our losses and cut Newsome. Now. Stiney is a good enough positions coach to take over the entire offensive line as well as tight ends, which opens up another coaching position to bring some new blood in somewhere."
This. So many big games have been lost due to this. Alabama, Boise, Stanford, now Clemson (twice). Simply has to be fixed.
While we're on weaknesses, what are CFB's (besides having ZERO killer instinct)??
I think a new AD may help to force CFB to make the changes he needs.
To be fair, Beamer's primary weakness is the lack of fire, and he's also not the greatest split-second in-game decision maker. But that's because he's M.O. has always been cool, calm, and collected, not firey and intense. Frank runs marathons instead of sprints, and I'm okay with that.
But like I've said before, we need more accountability. We got a heavy dose of coaching accountability after last season when Frank ushered his good friends Hite and Cav into office jobs to bring in some new blood and hot recruiters. We need more of that now, giving Newsome a nice severance package.
And tonight has convinced me it's time to give up Frank's heavy focus on special teams (at least as far as the punt block goes) because ACC refs are going to call too closely on the gray area plays to make going after the punt worth it. Put all our eggs in the punt return basket.
Many times have i read the these threads over the years and I am finally going to comment. I think your comment on Newsome is DEAD ON! I know a (starting) lineman on the team who was essentially given no choice but to switch positions. He has been very upset by his change, but also is a good team player and does whatever he thinks needs to be done to help the team. I'm sick of this rotating positions crap on the Hokie offense. If we need an OT, then dammit recruit an OT. Don't rob our TEs or DEs for that matter. OUR offensive line is overmatched almost always. These guys are Seniors.... They should be opening holes to run a herd of cattle through. All the zone blocking/read plays are so slow developing.... I'm afraid without some serious changes in the coaching we will be doomed to be stuck in 10 win seasons against weak ACC opponents (minus 1 or 2) and constantly be blasted by the media as undeserving and overrated. I would rather change coaches at this point than enjoy beating Duke and BC in uncomfortably close games to always have a winning record. I say bet the farm for a shot at a national championship run next year. Lose Newsome and Stinespring. Tape up the defense. Learn how to run an offense against a blitz (we absolutely suck at that). And let the chips fall where they may!
New play caller same plays, keep recruiting those rb dont worry about the line we can clearly work with walk ons or converted de. And since our ol is so talented don't worry about creating miss matches at the onto of attack our ol will simply push everyone out of the way oh and dont worry about spreading the defense out out front 5 can move all 8 of theirs. I think we all dropped the ball when we heard a new play caller we forgot who was designing the plays Cain calls
Stein and his playbook have to go and for chr sakes let's get some fat boys up front.
Ok, I will say it.
Frank must go.
And no, Bud Foster
is not the answer.
David Wilson isn’t happy. The ACC’s player of the year openly questioned the staff’s play calling following the loss to Clemson after he finished with just 11 carries. “When we run our plays into their blitzes,” he said, “it’s not going to work.”
The callout.
Hokies RB David Wilson questions play calling after ACC championship game loss
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies-journal
“I know the coaches have a game plan and try to execute that game plan,” Wilson said. “Me as a player, all I can do is execute what they call upon me to do, and that’s what I try to do.”
That kinda says a lot if Wilson is publicly saying that. Then again he's probably going to the draft anyway so he's free to speak his mind.
Great we pissed the one guy we need back for next year. Here is his quote about the coaching. If I were him I would be tired of it too.
"I was kind of surprised (by the play calling)," Wilson said. "... It was the same thing in the UVA game. In the first half I only had a couple of carries. I had 15 in the second half. I thought it was going to be the same thing today but I guess they never got around to it."
David Wilson sure sounds like a guy who is leaving.
When Clemson got up 14, then scored again, quickly, my first comment was not damn that sucks. It was nice to see a coaching staff that knows how to step on an opponent's throat and put them away. Too bad it's not ours.
Clemson played with their hair on fire. We didn't. Yeah there were some seriously bad calls. But I honestly don't think it mattered to the result.
It looked like the old heads of the ACC decided that VT needed to be taken down a few notches and made it so. Instead of the cream of the refs, a bozo crew was put on the field and in the booth and told "VT can do no right, CU can do no wrong, your check depends on it, this conversation never happened." Offensive PI changes momentum, gives CU the ball and a quick TD. Blocked punt could have kept VT in the game, instead CU kept the ball and moved down the field. Other calls and non-calls had players wondering what they could and couldn't do to avoid flags. You can't tell me CU wasn't holding to give Boyd time to throw, yet VT gets holding call to nullify a key play. Then the replay shows the PI and facemask grab on Coale that wasn't called, but a questionable PI on Coale after a defensive grab is called. The refs had a definite role in the outcome of the game.
But the refs aren't the only thing -- if you are a good thing, you play around them. The coaches should be able to adjust, but for some reason Tech's coaches fell back into old habits and stayed locked into old habits and seemed unable to change their plans. It looked like O'Cain had been left back at the hotel and Stinespring was back in charge -- especially in the second half. After a while, CU knew where we were and what we were going to do and exploited that, as many other teams have done before. Conservative CFB curled up in a ball instead of going back to his roots of Beamerball.
What's done is done. Now we have a bowl game to deal with, after our cupcake season. Then maybe there will be another round of coaching shuffles that will help. We can only hope.
Word is that you don't cross Beamer and live to tell about it. Wilson who I thought might stay is probably gone. I don't think he should and he could use one more year but...
Gregory is not the answer according to what I have seen in mop up roles.
Never mind, next year will be the same shit. It only took a few games to get the headset back on bs. WE were all mislead and that sucks. One good thing for my personal pchyie, I hope for the best and expect nothing.
You know I think Bud is getting sick of the same old crap. He did his best with duct tape and bubblegum. I would not blame him if he split.
I really could give a #$%^ about the fillet bowl. But it is actually better than playing a be wanna-be.
Problem is now CFB thinks the season was a huge success. Be that as it may the teams we were beating are ones that my 4 year old son can gameplan against. When we play a top 15 team we always struggle. We need a staff that can grow some balls and score, score, score, and score some more just for good measure. Screw the we don't want to run up the score and just admit that we can't run up the score cause the coaching staff does not have a playbook.
Just last week, everybody was saying how great our OL was against a (statistically) good UVA defense. The OL did a decent job against the Caroline D line which is far better than Clemson's. Although some posts here on FBS claim the Clemson D line is extremely "physical" the fact is Clemson has not stopped anyone all year...EXCEPT VIRGINIA TECH (twice). Why? I dont know. Newsome needs to be replaced but that is not the reason why we cant block Clemson. Same last year. Remember how we DESTROYED Florida State and yet could not block Stanford in the Orange Bowl? I cannot explain this inconsistency, but all I know is that I have not felt this sick and depressed since JMU.
HAD and Mark...right on the spot!
List of things CFB has FAILED TO ACHIEVE DURING HIS TENURE AT TECH:
-Win a National Championship
-Have a winning postseason (bowl) record
-Have a player win the Heisman
-Have a win over a #1 or #2 ranked team
-Have winning or .500 record against Top 10 ranked teams
-Win 12 or more games in a single season
-Have a full and complete undefeated season
EVERYBODY is absolutely NAILING it on this one. Good job guys. Now we just gotta whoop that ass to get fat fuck face Beamer to fix it.
I hope DW, Hoseley and others take off. They don't deserve this shit. As it's been said before, "Coaches are supposed to put their players in the BEST position to succeed. Not just in college football but also the pros. Beamer, Stineshit and Newsome have failed TIME AND AGAIN at that.
Being that DW (like Evans) has further exposed the flaws in the offensive game planning & "crossed Beamer", I wouldn't be surprised if CFB only allowed him 3-4 snaps MAX in the Shit-Filet Toilet Bowl. That actually would be a double-edged sword in that DW wouldn't get to show-off as much for the scouts, BUT it would preserve his strength, energy and prevent him from getting all banged up come time for the combine. Beamer will probably stick with Oglesby for most of the game. Being the dumbass fat fuck that he is.
Joe Hokie, not hoping for some coaching "shuffling" but for some literal individual ELIMINATIONS. Fuck shuffling. Didn't work this year in an area we needed it to (O-line).
"I don’t blame our preparation. I think we were ready to play."
Frank Beamer after his team lost 38-10 to Clemson.
So, uh.... allegedly Virginia Tech is going to the Sugar Bowl. Looks like 11-3. Guess we'll find out for sure in a few minutes.
http://tracking.si.com/2011/12/05/report-sugar-bowl-selects-virginia-tech/
Also it would likely be against Michigan.
The shuffling I meant was moving some key people into administrative positions and out of coaching duties, although others have suggested totally dumping Newsome and keeping Stinebrainless as the O-line coach and recruiter. I don't know about that, but I do know he needs to be kept away from any type of game planning and must have NOTHING to do with game time duties.
Virginia Tech-Michigan confirmed in the Sugar Bowl, welp.
Newsome is a great coach! in the years newsome has been at tech we've got more records than ever before including the least amount of sacks in the acc along side georgia tech... so uhm facts show the offense obviously doesnt suck in fact its the exact opposite so get your facts straight and dont act like you know stuff when in reality you have no idea and dont call yourself a "fan" when your doing the exact opposite of what i fan would do. half of ya'll havn't set foot on a football field and you obviously dont understand the pressure it is to be a football coach and all of the virginia tech staff handles it very well which would back up the GREAT season that we had... so i would just stop making yourself look like even bigger idiots
So should out beloved hokie mascot go ahead and bend over for a wolverine? Prayers are being said and all I want for Christmas is a gameplan that gives us 40+ points against a number 7 ranked Defense. The only hope is our D gets healthy and come back in a month.
Hey who let Stinespring post on here. LOL
List of teams I did NOT want us to face this year:
-LSU
-Houston
-Arkansas
-Michigan
-Alabama
-Okie St.
-Stanford
This Michigan matchup may be a preview in what we'll have to face with OSU in two years. What sucks is that Urban Meyer will be the HC.
o keep it coming i dont care what you have to say about me... that's not an issue because your lack of actual facts doesnt affect me... when you start talking about newsome thats when i have a problem because you cant back your self up with anything
vthg88 so you are telling us that everything at Tech is fine? Then why no respect from people who know football and have played the game. It is time for a change and cannot believe you are ok with the way things are going.
i have a reason to be fine with it
>least amount of sacks
> most games one in vt history
and our whole entire staff does a great job with everything they do. and i'm a fan so of course i'm gonna be behind tech in everything they do also, i know how stressful the job is and ya'll dont so LAY OFF NEWSOME
I have never performed brain surgery, but I know that severing a carotid artery isn't the proper thing to do.
All I'm saying is that if DW FK-YEAH is not happy then we all as FANS should be concerned.
WTF........................Sugar Bowl?
i'm not saying that you cant be concerned i'm saying you need to stop the hate talk and be a true fan you don't deserve to see the hokies at their best if your gonna hate on them when their at their worst. And once again newsome a good coach so back off
defense makes the sacks... not blocks them
PS-Other reasons for having fewer amount of sacks other than having mobile QBs back there: 1) LT trucking over and tossing would be tacklers aside. 2) Talented TBs like DW and others that turn shitty blocking schemes and coverage into positive yards. 3) Talented WRs that break off their coverage to make a catch just before the defender gets to the QB from busted blocking assignments. There, I've totally p*wnd your "facts" and worthless defense of the most worthless and unwanted offensive line coach in ALL OF FOOTBALL, PRO, COLLEGE, AMATEUR & RECREATIONAL.
There would be GREAT rejoicing if an accident were to occur to Newsome that made it so Beamer would be FORCED to get someone that actually understands how to correctly and effectively coach and offensive line.
Btw, vthg88, in your statement of the "facts" you seem to have forgotten to account for all the "tackles-behind-the-line" that happened to our backs this season. I'm sure that has nothing to do with the incomplete run blocking schemes of Newsome. Lol
Another thing vthg88, you said "most games ONE in vt history." Aside from the blatant misuse and incorrect word, VT has WON 11 games last year and in years before. VT has even won 11 games BEFORE the abomination of Newsome came on staff. Another Beamer mistake.
What's sad about us going to the Sugar Bowl is that even though we're facing a revamped Michigan team, Beamer and his bed buddies Stineshit and Newsome are STILL going to under plan, under prepare and under scheme for this game. He's going to have the team practice the SAME way for Michigan as he would Duke. He cares MORE about his pride and being "right" that he'll STILL use Oglesby more than DW...F-K YEA!!! Bastard.
It was me. I'm the admin with the "delete comment trigger finger".
Keep the comments cleaner, in general. We all get passionate and drop the occasional shit fuck bomb. But clean up the name calling and ass-fucking love child stuff. You know who you are, you're embarrassing to Hokie Nation.
Keep the name calling down. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. If we wanted, we would just post posts, factual or not, and lock comments out. But, we encourage posting of comments. Even if, gasp, they differ from our opinion. Arguments are fine, we're all Hokies in the end, and we all want what's best for the Hokie team - but it's totally ok to argue on how to get there - just stop being childish, everyone.
And finally, for the love of God, keep the comments about football. Preferably Hokie football, but football.
Now, in regards to "facts". "Facts" is even a subjective term to me in regards to our football team. As all of the talking heads on ESPN have even ADMITTED on the BCS selection shows over the past few weeks - you can take any stat/score/tangible fact from a game over the season and twist/turn it to present however you want it to. So, yes, sometimes we post FACTS on here, meaning stats, literal in game stats about how good or bad our offense or defense is.
So, in some reader's opinions, and its valid, these same facts, or at least the last two season's worth of offensive statistics - when taken literally, are "improvements". But where has that gotten us?
FACTS also point out our record against top 25 teams. Against top 15 teams. Against top 10 teams. Against top 5 teams. In bowl games. So at what point are the statistical facts (running it up on App. St, Ark. St, Duke, BC, ECU, Marshall) not enough to appease a fan base to get over the other statistical facts (our records in big games that matter)?
Call me spoiled, but these 10 win seasons and big bowl games (losses) aren't enough ANYMORE for me. I want more. I want big bowl game WINS. I want NC consideration. I don't want to be the laughing stock of the pretenders list anymore.
Can Stinespring and Newsome get us past "just" 10 win seasons and winning the games we're supposed to, but not the ones we need? In my OPINION, no, Stinespring and Newsome are essentially a glass ceiling for us.
We need to start from the ground up. Recruit big time O lineman and beat people up at the line of scrimmage. There's a reason only one or two teams in the NFL run a zone blocking scheme. Because today's defensive players and schemes can beat it.
I don't care if we were the #1 ranked passing offense in the land (Houston) - where are they ranked? What bowl game are they playing in? How much national respect do they garner?
I don't care if we were the #1 rushing offense in the land (Army) - where are they ranked? What bowl game are they playing in? How much national respect do they garner?
I don't care if we allowed the least amount of sacks in the ACC (25th in the nation btw).
All of these "facts" and stats mean nothing when we can't beat Clemson and win the ACC and be a top 5 team.
Fact: 87.62% of statistical figures are made up on the spot.
HJB, it's ok. I think I made my point. You're welcome.
HJB - well said and well done. When VT decided to have an empty case set aside for a National championship trophy, that raised the expectation level of every fan. To the point that losing to nearly every really good team we have played since that case was placed should be upsetting to all of us.
Coaches coach and players need to make plays. Teams of equal athletic ability give us fits, every year. College players rotate every two years, three at most. The constant is the coaching. As a brilliant mind said, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity. Newsome and Stiney are fine people. We have mutual friends. But every organization that is top of its class looks at everyone's performance yearly and over time. If it's not improving, then you are going backward relative to everyone else. If your goal is truly an NC, then we should be making frequent changes. The biggest mark against many of our coaches is that they have not left for promotion elsewhere. The coaches who have won NC have their assistants become coordinators and their coordinator become HC somewhere else. Except at VT.
LuvzAznChix- hey do you think you could email me or something i have a really important question to ask you if you could get back to me asap that would be great.
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