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We at FBS believe that offensive coordinator Bryan Stinespring bears the largest share of the blame for years of sub-par output from some of the most talented players ever to set foot on Worsham Field. We believe the main objective of the VT football program - a national championship - will escape us as long as Stinespring is making the calls. We therefore advocate the improvement of our football program through the replacement of our offensive coordinator.

Tuesday, November 3, 2009

Kyle Tucker Blog

Ok. First, I'm double wall of texting today. So, please everyone scroll down or click here to read hokiej88's article he posted this morning.

I'm posting here because I wanted to respond to Kyle Tucker on his knee-jerk article and his reprimanding of anyone who wants to talk bad about Stinespring. So, here is the response I want to give to Kyle Tucker if his website offered more than 750 characters in response, or if his direct e-mail address were available on his blog site. Kyle, if you read here, I predict you do, please feel free to contact me through the gmail system. Otherwise, everyone, this is my response to Kyle Tucker.
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Kyle, Kyle, Kyle;
Your shortsightedness on the Bryan Stinespring issue is disheartening, considering someone in your position in the industry you work in. Not to mention your former stance on the issue until you were reprimanded by Beamer and Weaver, with the threat of losing your press pass? Your switch midway through last season from Stinespring-detractor to supporter was sudden and swift. We can only assume what occurred. And now, we’re supposed to trust your writings to have all of the integrity of a reporter who writes the true side of every story? Or we’re supposed to just take your flip flop in stride, and not think that *you* are the one reacting in a knee jerk fashion?

You accuse the current anti-Stinespring sentiment to be knee-jerk. That is ludicrous. You yourself were part of a negative Stinespring campaign over the past two seasons. If you really, really, REALLY think that the anti-Stinespring movement is rising up *only* due to the recent loss at GT and at home versus UNC – then you’re REALLY not paying attention and that’s why I said your shortsightedness is disheartening.

The most recent two games, with failed offense and an inability to take advantage of beneficial field position, are not the sole proprietors of an anti-Stinespring movement. They are, however, simply additional FACTS that continue to support our cause. FACTS, you see, not OPINIONS, like numbers, rankings, and statistics. FACTS that prove his inability to coach a respectable offense, over and over and over again. This isn’t a 3-year hiatus from formerly good coaching; this isn’t a bump in the road. This isn’t a knee jerk reaction to two bad games. This is building frustration from years, seasons, and tens of thousands of my personal dollars paying his salary – that have us fed up. Yes, I am taking the literal position that I pay his salary. As a graduate of Virginia Tech, who paid four years tuition and four years for my athletic card – and then a Hokie Club member since 1999 and consecutive year donator to the VTAF – and season ticket holder since 2000 – with him being a state employee at a state university – yes, I’m taking the literal stance that I pay his salary. I am not getting my money’s worth.

I ask you Kyle Tucker, if you were one of 119 writers for a paper (or collection of papers, like if there like an association of press people, see what I did there?), and you had been at your job for 8 years – no comment on whether or not you were qualified to even take over said job 8 years ago. And each year, you got worse at your job. And you were rated by statistics (page views, articles to receive high marks, something that could be measured) to be getting worse. And now, for the last three years, you were so bad that you were rated 99th or worse out of those 119 reporters. And every single year, your statistics got worse; you continually trended in the negative direction.

Would you expect your employer to continue to maintain your employment? Would you expect to continually have your contract renewed, and your income to increase from the $220,000 range to the $240,000 range to the $260,000 range? Would you expect to continue to keep your job based purely on the merits of your loyalty and friendship to your boss? Or would you expect your employer to take steps to find a better replacement for you that is better at that job. I work in Project Management. I can tell you, that when times are tough, companies have to make decisions they don’t like. People are moved, people are cut, contracts are removed with vendors, subcontractors who don’t perform are let go, even if you’re friends and loyal to them. It’s business. And I’m sorry, but major college football, to crest the next level, is business. It’s not a family thing anymore. If we want to surpass previous performance and expectations – we have to start at the top – and there needs to be a culture change to become a *major* college football power. That culture change is for winning, at all costs, means to an end, and sometimes that means letting a friend go. Sometimes that means pulling a friend aside and having the shoulder and neck muscles to say, “Friend, you know I love you, but you’re just not cut out to do this job. You’re just not at a point where we can move forward with you at this job.”

The standard response from Frank Beamer, Billy Hite, and Jim Weaver is always that we’re winning 10 games a year, we’re one of only three teams to have won 10 games for what, five years, in a row now? We’re “just like” and “comparable” to USC and Texas because of this? NO. In recent years, Texas and USC have gotten to hoist a certain crystal football. Why? Because they have the coaches to get it done. And they wouldn’t put up with the horrendous offensive statistics that we do. Look yourself in the mirror and don’t lie here, you truly honestly think the likes of Pete Carroll, Mack Brown, Urban Meyer – would put up with the meager offensive statistics for as long as Frank has. Nay nay I say. In major college football, you get two, maybe three years of a bad hiatus, and you’re out. You don’t get eight years, all trending downward.
I can tell you that we all love Frank Beamer immensely and he has a lifetime pass with us. That pass does not automatically transfer to his subordinates. He has to make a decision, that might hurt loyalty or friendship, which is better for the program. The program, the university, the history of the team, the future of the team – are more important that being “disloyal” one time. It’s unfortunate, but this is business.

Yes, the fliers are a tad immature. Yes, the websites use the word “fire”. Yes, these are tactics to draw attention. I’m sure someone in your position in your industry understands the act of drawing attention to get someone to read the meat of your message. I personally don’t think Bryan should be fired, totally from everything to do with VT football. I don’t think he should not be a part of the Hokies, nor be able to take any credit for their recent success. Win as a team, lose as a team. But, to take our step to the next level, to being a major college football team, we need an offense that can consistently even be ranked in the top half of the nation. And it’s unfortunate, but we need to step back and man-up and have the realization come to fruition, that this cannot happen with Bryan calling the shots on offense.

He’s apparently a helluva recruiter, and a great team coach, a player’s coach. All the players love him (to the point of man-hugging). All of this is good. This is someone you want around your team. But none of these facts make him a valid choice to be your offensive coordinator. None of these facts make him a good offensive scheme creator, or playcaller. How about head recruiter and offensive line coach? Bring in a new coordinator to run the offense. Yes, I realize this means I just cut Newsome, but his line has been getting beat in the trenches too. Newsome is apparently not the recruiter that Bryan is, so he would be the final cut since the number of assistant coaches is limited by the NCAA. (side note: Jim Weaver, I’ll triple my donation for the next 10 years if you hire Kevin Rogers to come back and coach the QBs and become offensive coordinator – Miami tried to hire him last year away from the Vikings but he declined it and they hired Whipple.)

It’s time to man up coaches. It’s time to stop throwing your players under the bus for not executing. It’s time to stop making young and inexperienced excuses. The inexperience is in the offensive coaching booth, not on the field. It’s college football, you’re on a constant revamp of talent, at least at each position every 3 to 4 years, right? It’s not like a cyclical drop or rise in talent to age/experience ratio is a surprise, right? If a once a four-year term with a dip in age and experience is a surprise to a coach, well then I guess he’s coaching at the wrong level of football. You can’t, use this as an excuse, never. You coach through it. I know someone who does, Bud Foster.

These are 18-22 year old kids. They are muscle memory machines. They need to be coached. They are robots. When A happens, I do B. When C happens, I do D. The players not executing is a projection of the coaches. Yes, Ryan Williams fumbled. It was a physical mistake. It happens. I’m not going to say it cost us the UNC game because we should have been downing the ball at that point up 13 because we should have scored 20 in the first half. Yes, Tyrod took some sacks on long developing pass plays. Maybe a mental mistake, maybe a coaching decree to not run, stay in the pocket as long as possible. Either way, coaching problem – your ~20 year old kid wasn’t prepared for a situation. Your fault. You see, you can’t blame Ryan Williams, or Tyrod Taylor, or any other player – because it’s a system, it’s a team, and the fault lies at the top. Quick, name a player who fumbled and cost us a game or one that stayed in the pocket too long in 2003, or 2005, or 2007. Can’t do it. You know why? That was just a kid, that was just a different muscle memory robot, you forgot their name. But I can tell you the name of the offensive coach that didn’t coach him and put him in a position to win, he somehow still has his job.

Over the years when I couldn’t get into Blacksburg for a game, or for away games, I watch them on TV. And yes, we have to sit through broadcasts to include Andre Ware and Jesse Palmer doing our games. Andre Ware, bless his heart and his Heisman Trophy, can’t count to seven or spell “coordinator”, yet somehow ESPN game him a job and lets him do Division 1 games. Even he can predict our offensive plays. He then piles on with enthusiasm when the defense clearly predicted it as well and stopped us for a 3-yard loss. Last week, due to work restraints, I couldn’t travel in for the UNC game. I had to pleasure of watching it on ESPN. That idiot bachelor guy, Jesse Palmer, in one stretch of jokingly-attempting to playcall a couple of our offensive series based on formation, down, and distance – went 80%. He went 8 for 10 predicting our plays. Don’t you think highly paid defensive coordinators of other teams can figure this out with all the game tape too? How must Ryan Williams feel when he gets the ball from Tyrod and there’s 9 guys in his grill, because they all knew exactly where the ball was going.

We run the same six plays out of the same three formations. All day, every day. It’s tiresome. It’s like Super Techmo Bowl from the original Nintendo system, but worse. On that game, there were actually eight plays to choose from. And some of those included misdirection. Or making a play look like another play you run, but doing something different. Don’t we have a playbook with hundreds of plays?

All the critics demand is a variety in playcalling. Turn past page 2 of the playbook on a regular basis. Use the top 10 talent we recruit. The NFL talent. Note: a variety in playcalling is not run middle, run middle, run middle, run middle, run middle, run middle, run middle, run Wild Turkey reverse thrown back double flee flicker. That one odd call does not mean variety. We want a mix up of runs and passes. Change the ratio of runs and passes. Run when you normally pass. Pass when you normally run. Pass in the red zone. Seriously, pass in the red zone.

Call a variety of plays. Call short passes across the middle on first down to the tight end. Call screen passes. Call wide receiver double move routes. Call option plays with someone like Tyrod at the helm. Call some runs delayed, draws, to the same gap you ran a blast a few plays prior. And most of all, for the love of God, call more plays to the wide side of the field and let our talent get in space and make plays. When you run plays to the short side of the field (to include reverses?!?!?!?!??!), any advantage you gained in trickery when they didn’t expect you to run to the short side of the field is immediately lost because there’s a 12th defender over there named sideline.

Just be willing to vary it. And secondly, be willing to admit your plan from Wednesday’s practice isn’t working, and you need to make an adjustment. Week in, week out, we have better talent across the board at every position than our opponents (save certain players on Alabama, Miami, and Nebraska – pretty much all season) – but we can’t score on them because our players are put in disadvantageous positions by the coaches. Even if we’re bigger, better, faster – the other team can stop us if they know where we’re going. Just ask Butch Davis last week, who told the ESPN sideline reporter that they’d be fine on D in the second half because they knew what 4 plays we were running. How embarrassing.

I think what’s lost in all this is that none of us are trying to take any credit away from Bryan for the past successes. Win as a team, lose as a team. But, those successes could have been more, I feel. What if once over the past 8 years, with our top 10 defenses, we sprinkled in one top 25 offense? I don’t think we’d be celebrating a 10 win season. I think we’d be celebrating a 13 win season. I think we’d be celebrating a different bowl berth. So, going forward, I fear we’ve seen the glass ceiling.

With Bryan at the offensive helm, we’ve seen the best he has to offer. And I’m tired of waiting for it to improve. Eight years is plenty of time. So we’ve seen as high as we’ll get. We’ll win 10 games, maybe tiebreaker our way to an ACC championship game. Maybe win that. Get to a BCS game. Maybe win that. Maybe. Not this year. Even though this team is more talented on offense than any of the past 7. And we’re not even going to do that this year.

I am steadily growing in anger at the situation, not knee-jerking to two bad games. I am steadily coming to the realization that Beamer and Weaver are satiated. And I am steadily considering my donation level for the coming future, if Stinespring is retained at the current capacity.
We’re not that trendy new jump-start program any more. We’re not that friendly loyal team that Beamer built from farm boys and mountain men. We’re not sneaking up on people any more with Beamerball. In fact we’re trending downward to the laughing stock of a team that is overrated every year. “They’re not that good, just wait until October.” If we want to take the step to the next level, it needs to start at the top. In the booth. The guy with the headset on who looks flabbergasted and out of place like someone just asked him to spell the square root of disestablishmentarianism.

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11 comments:

Fire_Stinespring_Now said...

Wow...very good article. I don't think anyone could say we don't have a good reason to have Stinespring step down.

hokiej88 said...

HokieJayBee,
That was a great read. Kyle Tucker should be ashamed of himself but I guess he felt it was not worth losing his job over criticizing Beamer and Stinespring. He has officially sold out all of his integrity towards finding the truth as a journalist. I told people a few months ago that Kyle Tucker would be threatened by our athletic dept and the football offices if he continued to ask the tough questions to coaches and players about certain offensive coaches and look what happened. I told everyone here that they underestimate Beamer's power within the Athletic Dept and Beamer's power over the press in Blacksburg, Roanoke and other "Hokie hotbeds." Kyle Tucker-In like a lion, out like a lamb. Journalism in this country is no longer unbiased nor objective and its goal is that of spinning and twisting a small amount of facts and statistics to make it look like the truth. Stories are "killed" or "sat on" all the time by the press and media companies, reporters pick and choose who to ask tough questions to based on their political preferences instead of asking tough questions all the time. I don't blame Kyle Tucker for wanting to keep his job, but I do blame him from trying to spin things with his latest BS blog about how the "Stiney dissenters" are only out after these last 2 games. If he had done his due diligence as a reporter of the truth, he would realize that all of us have been on here the whole season talking about this. The Nebraska game was a miracle. As long as there is a website like this, people will hear the truth backed up with plenty of facts and statistics and not sugarcoated or spun. Beamer now has all of the reporters covering VT football as puppets of his game to try and hide the pig with lipstick on it that is our offense. Everything else will be allowed to be talked about but our offense. Total F-ing joke! Frank Beamer, Dictator of Blacksburg. Each and every day of this season, this looks more and more like the Bobby and Jeff Bowden situation at FSU that ended very abruptly and awkwardly I might add because a worshipped head coach refused to do the right thing and fire someone who was unqualified for a job he hired them for. Stinespring will continue to get raises for his poor performance too. Talk about BS! Hahaha

mainaman said...

Great article, worthy of a LETTER TO THE EDITOR @ Collegiate Times.
I came to wonder if those big time boosters even understand football?
If we could only have one of them on our side...sigh

Charlie said...

I agree with the previous comments.
This or something containing all these points in detail should go to the Collegiate Times minus all the stuff about Kyle Tucker.

I'd be willing to do it as a current student if no one else is going to and if favored by FBS. Unfortunately I doubt it'll make it through since there have been two Stinespring related reads in the CT the past 2 seasons. Beamer's power probably reigns over the CT as well.

One is an article from last season and the other is a letter that appeared this year. I think this latest post hits all of the points and frustrations about the offense in depth AND offers viable solutions besides firing Stinespring but explains why removing Stinespring as OC is not asking too much and the evidence that supports it.

It'll be a good read for the Hokie Nation.

Depending on the outcome of the season, if we loose one more game and don't get that "10 win" excuse I think people would be more willing to listen especially with this year's talent.

If we do get a loss I think we should seriously REALLY try hard to get this to the CT. If anyone wants to move forward with getting this to the CT e-mail me.

leonardthompson said...

"I can tell you that we all love Frank Beamer immensely and he has a lifetime pass with us. That pass does not automatically transfer to his subordinates..."

This is the core problem with your thinking. If you are unhappy with the current staff situation at VT, You had better be ready to void that lifetime pass. As long as Frank Beamer is here, Stiney isn't going anywhere. Period. This is a philosophical conflict, not a staff problem. Beamer and the boys are OK with VT football. To change VT Football, you need to get rid of everyone.

Are you ready for that? I'm not. I say keep Stiney. He is coming around. You need to remember back in 1987, a new coach started at VT and posted some pretty pathetic records while getting warmed up. I'm pretty sure that by 1990, if possible, The "Fire Frank Beamer.Com" website would have been started. Thankfully, the VT leadership had the loyalty and patience to see it through.

richard said...

Oh, when will it end?

Another superb article.

Another day with Bryan.

I could see it on TV. Every episode begins with Bryan waking up eating his cereal but the milk won't stay in his mouth and it's lightly pouring down his chin and into his lap just like all those games where his team can't score because the box is loaded and he runs it up the middle again and again. It's a world where there is no yogurt to fill the cereal bowl so our main character, the worst OC ever, continues to drool milk down his chin and into his lap.

If I were Bryan, everyday, I'd be asking for a new OC and I'd be throwing Newsome under the bus so I could stay on and save face.

This was the year to prove! This was it! If you can't do what you need to do with the players we have than you are not going to do it!!!

Get the f*#k out!!! I am tired of watching this pathetic f*#king show!!!

Bryan must be in a miserable mood and his pants have to be dripping wet.

HokieJayBee said...

@leonard, even under your analogy to beamer coming on board in 1987, it was 6 years later we were in the independence bowl and starting our run. and he came onto a 2-9 team. so there was only one way to go, up. it's been 8 years for stiney now, with ONLY downward trending, not one single UPTICK in any year....to your logic, how long are you willing to wait? i don't want to wallow in the same continued mediocrity, yes i'm calling the 10 win seasons mediocre, when you look at our post season resume and resume against top 10 teams. i want to be one of *those* teams. how can everyone be so apathetic and satiated with just doing enough to get by? does no one want to improve? does no one care about doing better, doing more, going farther?

@charlie, do it up. give it to the CT. change it, modify it, give me credit or not. i don't care about me being famous. i care about the message getting out. if you think the CT will print it. do it up.

Rob said...

leonardthompson-

I have to disagree about FB and the patience shown to him.

First, when he started in 1987, he had a couple years under scholarship reductions. As these cleared out, he improved so that by 1990 (the year you postulate a website would have been started) even though Tech was only 6-5, they had gone through a brutal schedule and finished ranked #25. The next year was another brutal schedule as even though Tech had joined the Big Least, full round robin scheduling wouldn't start until 1993. Tech slumped at the end to finish 5-6.

Then it all hit the fan in 1992. Tech lost something like 7 games in which it lead in the second half, and ended 2-8-1. Player(s)' cars had tires slashed (not making that up).

Now here are the key points: Yes, VT did show patience with FB. They saw something for the future with FB. But AD Dave Braine forced FB to clean house, and many coaches were let go, I'm sure including good guys and close friends.

We all know what has happened starting in 1993.

Can FB do the same now on his own? If not, can anyone show FB what he needs to do?

I doubt it. Doesn't mean I don't thank FB for all he has done, but I'm doubtful we'll ever improve with him not able to objectively review his staff.

Of course, all just IMHO - I've been wrong a time or two and would love to be wrong on this!

hokiej88 said...

Leonard,
Stiney gets better every yr? Oh really? Does that mean you can getting better by 0.01% as improvement? It sounds like you are one of his supporters that knows him personally, goes fishing with him and loves the guy. We judge him on his work performance which over 8+ yrs has been poor at BEST... Hmmm... This is not 1980s VT where we cannot attract a top offensive coach. IF Beamer announced we were looking for a new offensive coordinator, d you know how many qualified people would apply? Try at least a few hundred from the high school and college levels. High school OCs not qualified in your book? Neither was Stinespring who was NOT even an OC in hs. I would rather take a chance on finding the next Urban Meyer or Gus Malzahn than stick with this "genius." *+ yrs is a long enough sampling. He is awful, he is pathetic as an OC and worse he blames it all on his players lack of execution and throws them under the bus in public every chance he gets! Bud Foster blames himself and his coaches. Hopefully you see the difference between the 2 coaches/coordinators. One is great and one is awful. The absolute worst thing is Stinespring gets raise after raise for producing worse results every yr with his offenses with better talent. If this were the real world and not Beamer's Blacksburg dictatorship, Stinespring would be judged on his performance results/production and fired, demoted or reassigned a long time ago

Karthik said...

@leonardthompson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Stinespring

Look at the stats. Let me remind you of people we had on our team for those moediocre and downward trending offenses... Oh, and this list is by no means exhaustive - just the ones I can think of off the top of my head

2002 (ranked #64): Bryan Randall, Mike Imoh, Lee Suggs, Kevin Jones, Ernest Wilford
2003 (ranked #38): Randall, Marcus Vick, Deangelo Hall, David Clowney, Wilford, Imoh, Cedric Humes, Jeff King
2004 (ranked #65, and we went 10-3, with two of our losses to teams ending the season undefeated): Randall, Humes, Josh Hyman, Clowney, Eddie Royal, Imoh, King
2005 (ranked #57): Marcus Vick, Clowney, Royal, Justin Harper, Josh Morgan, Humes, Imoh, King
2006 (ranked #99): Clowney, Branden Ore, Kenny Lewis, Morgan, Clowney, Sam Wheeler, Greg Boone, Hyamn, Harper, Royal,
2007 (ranked #100): Tyrod, Lewis, Royal, Morgan, Hyman, Ore, Wheeler, Boone, Harper, Morgan, Andre Smith
2008 (ranked #103): Tyrod, Darren Evans, Lewis, Oglesby, Boone, Macho Harris, Dyrell Roberts, Danny Coale, Boone, Jarrett Boykin

The reason Bud Foster gets a pass this year when he allows the opponents 24 points is that he has no linebacking corps!

You know why else he should get a pass? Because our offense should be scoring 35 a game, so the 24 points shouldn't matter.

With that talent, especially seeing how they've done in the NFL: Eddie Royal is a dangerous weapon for the Broncos, and David Clowney is a dangerous third receiver for the Jets.

Ernest Wilford (2-point drop and all) has been a staple of the Jags passing attack for 5 years now, and despite being picked up by the Lions, Kevin Jones is still a pretty good NFL running back.

Those offenses shouldn't have floundered with those players on it. If they did, it's the coaching staff, namely Stiney, putting them in positions to fail.

brgut1 said...

Well you were right Kyle definitely reads this site. Check out his latest blog. Again still not realizing that we've been disatisfied with his play calling for years.


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