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We at FBS believe that offensive coordinator Bryan Stinespring bears the largest share of the blame for years of sub-par output from some of the most talented players ever to set foot on Worsham Field. We believe the main objective of the VT football program - a national championship - will escape us as long as Stinespring is making the calls. We therefore advocate the improvement of our football program through the replacement of our offensive coordinator.

Thursday, November 12, 2009

FFODC: Bud Foster's Successor

It's been quite a while since I've posted here, so I'm sorry for the delay. I've been busy moving my site over to http://www.ffodc.com, and nobody wanted to help me with the futon. I have to give credit where credit is due, and HokieJayBee gave me the idea for this post by talking about things we've lost, and might lose as a program. This is crossposted from my site. Come for the wit, stay for the analysis and COMMENT!

For the past several years, Virginia Tech fans have been extremely concerned about the prospect of losing defensive coordinator Bud Foster to a head coaching job. Earlier today, the Washington Post broke news that Foster is interested in the University of Memphis vacancy (Tommy West was fired Monday). Like previous seasons, Hokie Nation has begun crafting doomsday scenarios that might or might not come into play. However, over these past few seasons that have seen Foster flirt with Clemson, NC State, Illinois and South Carolina, nobody seems to want to discuss what WILL happen when Foster leaves Blacksburg for good.

Keep in mind that Frank Beamer is 63 years young. Beamer has stated publicly that he has several years left before he wants to hang up the clipboard. Bud Foster is no spring chicken himself (he turned 50 in July), and the window of opportunity might be closing on the long-time Hokie great. Foster has long stated that he wants a Big Six, BCS conference job rather than being forced to build a mid-major into a power. Unfortunately, various athletic directors have chosen people with direct head coaching experience over Foster. This leads me to believe that Bud is reevaluating his stance, and considering any FBS situation that could be favorable. The guy has coached five consecutive top ten defenses (nationally), and in this “down year,” he’s managed to produce the 23rd best defense (on yardage) as well as the 21st scoring defense in the country. Not too shabby. Hokie fans need to come to terms that there will not be a succession plan for the four-time Broyles Award nominee, and that Bud’s days in Blacksburg are probably coming to a close.


However, we must have faith that Ol’ Bud doesn’t plan on leaving Beamer high-and-dry. There’s a good possibility that he might take an assistant or two with him to the school of his choosing, but I expect that he’ll do his best to leave the program in good hands after he’s gone. Beamer is notorious for being loyal to his current staff, and I believe that it’s highly unlikely that he will look outside the program to replace Foster. That being said, let’s take a look at the current staff and examine who the best candidate will be to succeed Bud as Virginia Tech’s defensive coordinator.

Jim Cavanaugh- Defensive Assistant, Whips and Rovers

Cavanaugh has been an assistant under Foster since the 1996 season, and is entering his eighth as Tech’s recruiting coordinator. Coach Cavanaugh has done a great job of both bringing in and developing talent for Frank Beamer’s program. He recruited the likes of Michael Vick, the Adibi brothers, Macho Harris, Bryan Randall and Chris Ellis among others. Along with the big names, he has worked with players with less notoriety and turned them into defensive mainstays for the Hokies. Aaron Rouse, James Anderson, Pierson Prioleau, Cam Martin and Cody Grimm all entered the program as question marks and developed into explosive, reliable players for Cavanaugh. In particular, Grimm has been developed into one of the most disruptive defenders in the last 20 years for the Hokies.

Pros: Considering that Cavanaugh coaches two positions that require high football IQ, he’s got a great knowledge of Foster’s system, and in particular, his blitzing schemes. He’s a proven motivator, and has gotten maximum efforts from his players over the years. If we’re looking for someone with significant experience and intelligence, Cavanaugh provides a great deal of both. He has been a part of ten conference championships, and has learned from some of the best in Lou Holtz, Bobby Ross, and now Frank Beamer.

Cons: We all know that a great recruiter does not necessarily transition into a great coordinator (Stinespring). Cavanaugh is the oldest member of Foster’s defensive staff, and it’s hard to say how long he’ll be willing to stay around. Virginia Tech’s program has been a picture of stability over the last fifteen seasons, and I believe Beamer will be looking for someone that expects to coach in Blacksburg for a long time.

Charley Wiles- Defensive Line Coach

Wiles has been on the Virginia Tech staff since 1996, and has been known for developing a crop of disruptive, yet undersized defensive linemen throughout his tenure. He can claim the likes of Corey Moore, Darryl Tapp, Chris Ellis, Orion Martin, and now Jason Worilds as his outstanding performers. Wiles units have been consistently strong, even without ideal size. His players are typically known for their work ethic and speed, which are both nurtured under his tutelage. He makes the most out of developing relatively small guys with big hearts and consistent motors.

Pros: Wiles has developed players to the tops of the college football world. His players have probably been most nationally-recognized during their careers IN college, but not necessarily in the NFL. Eighteen of Wiles' former defensive linemen have earned all-conference honors, and been named All-Americans five times. This is a direct result of playing with smaller players. However, Wiles also teaches his ends impeccable technique and timing, which are two very valuable assets to a defensive coach. He knows Foster's system inside and out, and isn't too old to stick around at Tech long after Foster leaves (he's 45). He also follows in the same mold as Foster, because he's a former player under Beamer, and was an All-American at the Division 1-AA level himself.

Cons: The likelihood of Wiles sticking around if Bud leaves is lower than a guy like Cavanaugh, mostly because he and Foster are close friends. There have been whispers that Wiles would leave Blacksburg with Foster and become his defensive coordinator. He's also a guy that has stayed in the same position for thirteen years. Is that extreme loyalty, or is there a reason nobody's tried to pluck him away?

Torrian Gray- Defensive Backs Coach

Gray is the greenest member of Foster's staff, serving in his fourth season in 2009. He is a former player under Foster, and was a standout at rover and free safety. While Gray has not accumulated as much experience as his fellow staff members, he's considered a rising star in the program, and has experience on the NFL level as well. He led one of the best defensive secondaries in the country in his two years at UConn, and coached for two years with the Chicago Bears, where he worked under Lovie Smith and with a group of the leagues most respected defensive minds.

Pros: As previously mentioned, Gray is considered a rising star in the coaching world. He's been largely successful in several programs, and he's transitioned smoothly from position-to-position. He's produced several high-caliber players in his first several years in Blacksburg, and helped make Brandon Flowers into an unstoppable force at the boundary corner position. Flowers has praised Gray for his enthusiasm and knowledge in making him one of the most successful corners in Virginia Tech history. His defensive backs are known for their ability to generate turnovers and their tenacity. He seems to be working his magic with another former "unknown" in Rock Carmichael. He earns the respect of his players quickly, and is more than willing to defend them in public forums.

Cons: Gray is only 35, and only has nine years of professional experience. He has never had to take on a lead role with a defensive staff (unlike Cavanaugh as recruiting coordinator, and Wiles as a co-defensive coordinator at Murray), and might be a little too inexperienced and fiery to carry out Beamer's plans to a 'T.' He's also been known as to cater a little too much to his players' egos, and hasn't been able to instill the best discipline in his DBs at times (e.g. Kam Chancellor). Most would argue that Gray would need to see an increased role in defensive playcalling or scheming before he's ready to step up as a coordinator.

Once you consider all of the options available within the program, it's easy to see that there are capable coaches that could take the reigns from Foster. However, I believe that Wiles will follow Bud to his new school, which leaves Gray and Cavanaugh. In that scenario, Beamer will probably keep Cavanaugh in his recruiter's role, and promote Gray, even though he has less experience. I would consider Cav to be the safe choice, but Gray to have greater potential. I think that Beamer and Foster see the promise with Gray, and it would be a big statement for the future of the program. If Gray is successful in taking over for Foster, he could keep the Hokie defense at a high level for years to come.

What do you think about the succession situation? Should we promote one of these three guys or look outside the program? Let me know your thoughts in the comments.

21 comments:

CoopaLoop said...

If Foster decides to leave the program, I would be very much in favor of promoting Torrian Gray to defensive coordinator for several reasons.

Some people may claim that defensive backs make the best coaches (Frank Beamer, Tony Dungy and Pete Carroll are three that come to mind)

35 is not that young and inexperienced in the coaching world. Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin is 37, and seems to be doing a pretty good job. Urban Meyer was 37 when he started as a head coach at Bowling Green, and that turned out ok for all the programs he's coached at. Plus I have always been in favor of people with potential rather than those with experience. Why not promote someone who could be really great?

Also the secondary has been extremely fantastic in the past several years, whether that is because of Foster, Gray, inferior ACC offenses or a combo of all three is up for debate.

One last thing which I hope doesn't start a firestorm conversation is that Torrian Gray is African American, and promoting a minority coach could do nothing but good for the program.

One sad thing is that looking at all the tech coaches, I feel that all the defensive coaches are doing a good job, but I don't see a single offensive coach who has really done anything that is telling me that they deserve to keep their job.

ebj said...

cav would have the dc job for a few years then to gray. someone high up told me that a yr or so back.

leonardthompson said...

I think Bud Foster is a brilliant DC. His potentially moving on to head coach does not worry me much though. Sure, he may be able to take some help with him. Maybe. VT might pony up to keep Wiles around.

If Coach Foster decides to leave, good for him. I would never do anything but wish someone the best in trying to better themselves.

Also, we would get to see how he does as a head coach somewhere else, and then if he proves himself, we'll welcome him back with open arms when Beamer steps down. Memphis would be an excellent proving ground, and I am 100% sure that he would jump on the HC job at VT ANYTIME in the future.

Also...Maybe he'll take Stinespring with him as his OC. I can dream on this blog, can't I?

Hokie Guru said...

You can dream big, Leonard :)

That was a great post, Miz.

kyle said...

I think that if Foster does take a non BCS job and is still there when Beamer retires that VT will aggressively try to get him to head coach here. I don't even know if his record would matter that much since he obviously wouldn't be getting the same level as recruits as he would at VT

Illinois Hokie said...

I'll see your doomsday scenario and raise you one more:

Beamer, who is growing notoriously conservative in the golden years of his coaching career, might prove reluctant to promote someone as young as Gray to a coordinator's position. Gray, obviously trusting Foster more than Beamer, follows Bud to Mempis along with Wiles. That leaves only Coach Cav on staff at VT.

HokieSteeler said...

Good theories all around. Coach Cav in all likelihood would slide into the DC spot.

My two cents on the subject is that from what i hear VT would like to bring in former Hokie and Frank's son Shane Beamer to take some position on the staff and groom him to be the next head coach for the Hokies. He's out making a name for himself building his resume, now having coached under Phil Fulmer, Sylvester Croom, and Steve Spurrier. (All SEC schools) Most of his coaching experience has been with defense and special teams, sound familiar? As of right now, he is South Carolina's recruiting coordinator, special teams coordinator and coaches their strong safeties and "spurs". In the past he's also coached the corners and linebackers. In fact, last year while coaching the corners his boys were part of a defense that ranked second in pass defense.

From what I hear he's turned into a heck of a recruiter as well. His first recruiting class was ranked 12th in the nation.

Beamerball has grown into its own persona over the years and now is widely known everywhere as is evidenced by ESPN having to mention it every time they even show a clip of us. It has become a brand in and of itself. Shane's areas of expertise? Defense and Special Teams. This only increases the chances of Shane replacing Frank since the powers that be here at Tech will milk the Beamerball thing for everything they can. Don't be surprised to see him on the staff in the next few years.

As much as I love having Bud as our DC, I don't see him ever being the head coach for the Hokies. From what I've been told, everything that makes him such a great Defensive Coordinator is also what will keep him from being the head coach. Lets just say his personality doesn't mesh well with what most expect from a head coach and leave it at that.

Illinois Hokie said...

Ah yes, nothing can go wrong with bringing your own son onto your coaching staff.

Just ask Bobby Bowden.

HokieSteeler said...

Which is the very reason why Frank made Shane go out on his own and gain experience under other coaches and build his resume instead of putting him on his own staff. Due some research on it IllinoisHokie and you'll find Shane is earning respect on his own. Granted Frank may have helped him get his foot in the door early on, but from there on its been all Shane. You're saying you wouldn't want a well respected coach out of the SEC, that's also a great recruiter, is big on defense and special teams and has ties to SEC recruiting grounds on your staff? Plus has strong ties and great respect for the Tech program?

hokiej88 said...

Illinois,
HokieSteeler is right about Shane Beamer. He has made a name for himself on his own steam! He has a very good reputation in the SEC. Other programs have attempted to hire him away from South Carolina. He will be back in Blacksburg soon I think. He also coached RB at Miss St. HokieSteeler forgot to mention that so Beamer could come in and replace Hite as the RB coach and we'd get a HUGE upgrade in recruiting immediately. Shane is USC-e's recruiting coordinator. He has also been a special teams coach and has coached multiple positions. That sounds likr Josh McDaniels more than Jeff Bowden. I have heard the same things from people about Bud Foster that his emotions and passion would prevent him from being a good HC. That he has to be more of a middle ground and play more politics. I say BS! They said the exact same things about Bob Stoops, Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher and Michael Singletary. Passion and emotions are very important to being genuine. THe kids you recruit want to see you genuinely care about them and about winning. And I have never heard one bad thing about Bud Foster in regards to that. Best coach we have! I hope we keep him a Hokie the rest of his coaching career!

Illinois Hokie said...

Well, there has to be a reason why Foster, with his resume, keeps getting interviews for head jobs only to be passed over, and I'm guessing it's his "attitude." He's a pretty no-nonsense kind of guy, and there's a lot of PR work involved in a head coaching job. But I see Foster as a Bill Cower-type head coach, who doesn't mince words but who also demands accountability. Then again, Bud might well spend his entire coaching career as a defensive coordinator, and there's nothing wrong with that.

As far as Shayne Beamer goes, chill out guys, I didn't mean to insult anyone's boyfriend. Little Beamer's building up an impressive resume and will be a head coach somewhere, but I think Frank is VERY wise to let Shayne do it on his own, elsewhere. Then when Shayne finally comes home to Blacksburg no one can say he didn't earn it. My point (if you'd do some research) was that Frank needs to be careful to avoid a nepotism situation like the one that has just about destroyed Bobby Bowden.

It's a damn shame that Shayne's getting most of his experience as a defensive coach though, since he's the ONE man Frank might actually fire Stinespring to bring in.

Illinois Hokie said...

And as for why I just repeatedly referred to Shane Beamer as "Shayne Beamer," I'm contributing while getting over H1N1, so f--k off...

Just kidding. About the f--k off part. Not the H1N1 part. This swine flu has made me its beyotch.

HokieSteeler said...

He is avoiding that situation. They won't bring Shane in until a few years before Frank is ready to retire, which may be sooner than some think.

hokiej88 said...

Illinois,
I agree with you about the comparison between Bud Foster and Bill Cowher and I mentioned the other coaches who have similar personality types as well. The bottom line is VT needs to upgrade recruitng on the coaching staff. Shane Beamer would help immensely! Feel better buddy! My great aunt said, "If you don't have your health, you ain't got nothing!" Take it easy.

Illinois Hokie said...

HJ88, your aunt was Count Rugen from The Princess Bride?

Illinois Hokie said...

HokieSteeler, I also get the vibe that Frank might close up shop sooner than some are saying. He has no reasonable chance to catch JoePa for all time wins, and the only thing I can think of that would be worth hanging on for - a national championship - seems to be losing importance to him as he goes along. He also has the satisfaction of knowing that whenever he leaves he will be the coach against which all future coaches will be stacked up.

There's really no reason for Frank to coach well into his 70s. When Bobby Bowden retires either this season or next that will leave Beamer as the dinosaur of the ACC, and when JoePa finally goes it will make Frank the dinosaur ofall 1A football. I can't see Frank Beamer, who is obviously still very much a kid at heart, liking that too much.

The question in my mind will be if Frank follows the Tom Osborne route and becomes AD at Tech.

kyle said...

Shane already got recognized as a top recruiter as did someone from VT on ESPN like a month or so ago.

Charlie said...

I just noticed in the last picture that Stinespring would be the only guy who's pants and jacket don't match.

Charlie said...

First picture I meant, also for some reason I forgot the game is only on espn360 today. That blows, we don't even get a televised game here in Blacksburg.

Illinois Hokie said...

I'm starting to hate ESPN360. Either make it a standard subscription service, where anyone on any ISP can subscribe for $15 a month or whatever, or quit hijacking every game on an internet only feed. I couldn't even see this game on PPV today.

hokiej88 said...

http://www.channelsurfing.net/

Did you try to see if you ca watch the game online for free on that website? Bookmark that site...


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